Friday, October 8, 2010

StudentORLearner

from a David Warlick blog post




StudentsLearners
Relationship with educatorsStudents are employees, required to obediently follow instructions.Learners are citizens with a vested interest in the learning society.
Relationship with other “Students”Students are competitorsLearners are collaborators
MotivationObligation: Students are culturally obliged to work for the teacher & for compensation(below)Responsibility: Learners are motivated by an understood and realized “value” in their work, especially when it is valuable to others.
CompensationInstitution defined grades and gateways to college (another institution) and a good job (another institution)A sense of ongoing accomplishment that is not delivered but earned, and not symbolic but tangible and valuable — an investment.
Mode of OperationCompliant, group-disciplined, objective-oriented, and trainablePersevering, self-disciplined, group- and goal-oriented, resourceful, and learning in order to achieve rather thanachieving learning.
Why?CompelledCurious
Equipped..with packaged knowledge and tools for recording packaged knowledge — prescribed and paced learning..with tools for exploring a networked variety of content, experimenting with that content, and discovering, concluding, and constructing knowledge — invented learning
AssessmentMeasuring what the student has learned.Measuring what the learner can do with what has been learned.



One of the problems that I struggled with, as I was writing and ordering these qualities was that I wanted to put assessment, for the student, at the top of the list — and assessment, for the learner, at the bottom. For the student, assessment is king, in very much the same way that quality control is such a critical part of the manufacturing processes. But assessment, for learners, is much less obvious, and at the same time, it is much more integral to the learning. Assessment for classrooms of learners is the enormous amounts of qualitative data that is collected by the teacher (and other students) on a minute-by-minute bases.
Assessment is also, and this is what I find most interesting, not a “right” or a “wrong” — a check (√) or an X. It is a simple self-asked question, “Did that work?”

Which are you in Physics? other classes? Are we evolving? Which is better? Which is Mr.Shircliff?  Which does he want you to be?

19 comments:

Kaitlin said...

I am a learner in Physics and most of my other classes. It is better to be a learner because they are curious. Mr. Shircliff wants us to be learners I think and to be curious enough to figure things out for ourselves.

Candace said...

I think that I am neither. I do not believe that students are the 'employees' of the teacher. I am a student who wants to learn but not be an 'employee.' I think society wants us to evolve, but I think once we reach a certain age, it is too late to change us. Society wants us to believe that being a Learner is better I think, but I don't know if that's the right one. Mr. Shircliff wants us to be learners not students, which can be hard when we are used to being students for our whole lives.

emily. said...

i think i am a learner because most of the traits descibe me in most of my classes. Neither of them is really "better" both have a certain different description that has good things about it and bad. I'm not sure what mr. shircliff is but i would think he wants us to be learners so that we are curious about things and experiment with different things and different outcomes we may or may not be expecting.

callgire11 said...

I would say I am a learner in Physics and my other classes. I think we are evolving but very slowly. It is better to be a learner because than you are taught better and understand more. I would say Mr. Shircliff is a learner also. He wants us to be learners and teach ourselves.

Cwatkins#7 said...

i believe i am motivation because i am in class to be able to pass and be eligible for extra curricular activities. and the motivators are only in class and learn because of obligations.

Matt said...

In Mr Shircliffs class I am the learner, because we are treated in a more relaxed manner and not a forced learning environment. Other classes I am treated as the student because they just throw material at us and it is all about grades and doing what is planned for us to do. In this class we are evolving because we actually learn the material not just memorize it for the grade. Being the learner is much better because we actually know the material after, we don't just memorize it until its ok to fix. Mr. Shircliff is neither, he is the one who helps to better us and he wants us to be learners.

Cadyladyy said...

I think I'm definately a learner because i collaborate ideas and instructions. I think I have been learning more in physics instead of being an "employee" with it. I am goal oriented & I find myself more curious with ideas then understanding them right away.

Allison Baby. said...

In Physics i am definately a learner. I think this because i do most things on my own in the class. Many things we do our hands on and this helps us understand and comprehend more. In most other classes i am a student, sometimes i can be a learner if its something im really interested in. I think we are definately involving everyday with new knowledge. Being a learner is definately better because you understand more and gain more knowledge. Mr. Shircliff is a learner, he wants us to be learners with him and understand what we are doing and expand our thoughts and knowledge.

Becca said...

I would say that I am both a student and a learner. I am both because even though I like to learn and follow the rules in school and the class, I also like to learn and collaborate with others. In Mr. Shircliff's class, I am more of a learner. We see what we can do with what we have learned and put it to use. We all collaborate together and don't compete with each other. I would say we are evolving but it is a slow process. Mr. Shircliff is more of a learner because he is more into learning for society. I think Mr. Shircliff just wants us to be informed and gain more knowledge through what we do in school.

Bo$$ said...

I find myself as more of a student in most classes but probably a learner in physics. There is nothing wrong with that because I enjoy doing more hands-on things than getting lectured or doing bookwork. However in other classes I am a student because I feel like I am an employee. It seems as though the teachers are like the boss and I always have to do what they say and do it their way. This is good at times but I find it better doing things on my own too. Mr. Shircliff is more of a teacher rather than a student or leaner and he wants us just to retain the knowledge anyway we can.

dbrown11 said...

I would classify myself as a learner simply because i do most of the work required of me on my own. If i am asked to complete a task, i complete the task within reason of course. I feel like i am working for compensation in school. I work to earn good grades, which would get me into a good school and later into a good job. I believe this is a good personality to have because it will benefit you in any stage of life whether it is school or work. I find Mr. Shircliff to be a teacher and a learner. He learns about new technology and tries new methods but he also wants us to learn and retain knowledge.

akastor11 said...

In physics class I would consider myself as a learner. 99% of the work is hands on and I enjoy doing work like that much more than class written work in my other classes. Since my other classes are all about the homework and papers and a teacher just standing in front of the class lecturing, i would consider myself a student in all my other classes. I would say mr shircliff is a learner because he tries things hands on and learns new things about technology then teaches us. I think its better to be a learner because doing hands on work seems to be more effective. I also believe Mr. Shircliff wants us to be learners just by the way he teaches and has us doing all the hands on learning.

Lexi said...

I think that the student should be able to determine for themselves whether they are a student or a learner. Depending on who they are and how they learn, its up to them on how they feel they can retain and infer the information the best and what works best for them individually. Kids who are forced to learn a certain way sometimes cannot cooperate and often become frustrated because its difficult for them to learn that way. If a student knows a way that they learn the best, then they should be able to learn that way for the best possible outcome.

The Evil Ginger said...

I thionk i am a learner. i say this because i learn from my teachers. As a learner i am obligated to preform the tasks asked of me to learn new things. but i mas also learning from my mistakes as i am learning. as a learner in physics i am told to take my previous knowlege and put it to use in the projects we complete.
In school it is like a reward system. i say this because if we work hard and complete the tasks assigned. we are rewarded with good grades and have the eligebility to get into a good school. Then with going to a good school it will helo me later in life because it will get me into a good job.
This is a good personality to have because it will show that you are someone who wants to be there to learn and not just there because you are forced to attend. With this personality it will benefit you no matter where you go in life. it will show everyone that you are reliable and are able to help out the people who dont catch on as quickly.

Ken said...

I am definetly a learner in physics. I go into class with an open mind and eager to learn. If I am asked to complete something, i go ahead and do it. I know it will benefit me and more times than not I get to learn something new. I am this way in every class. Classes may be set up differently, or have different environments, but it all comes down to the same thing, learning the required material. We are evolving but not quickly. It takes time to evolve as with anything else in life. With new technology, different learning environments, and different teaching techniques gives us an opportunity to evolve. Being a learner and evolivng is better. You get to learn and evolve to be able to learn better in the future. Thats what experince and technology do for us. I find Mr. Shircliff as a teacher and a learner. He teaches us the material he has learned with more experience than us. He gives us a task that enables us to learn something and we complete it. He is also a learner because he is still learning new material, and 3experimenting with new technology and projects. As he learns something new or finds a new way to relay us information, he shares it with us. He wants us to be a learner and teacher. He encourages us to learn as much as possible, but also encourages us to teach other learners if we know something new. If we all learn and teach togther, everyone can get a equally great experince. At least that is the ultimate goal.

tkuppe said...

In physics, I am undoubtedly a learner because I am more interested in physics than being an "employee" towards the subject. However, the student versus learner aspect varies from class to class in my mind. For example, I'm a learner in Pre-Calc and AP English as I attempt to grasp the conceptual manor of both classes. But in Multimedia, I am definitely a student, or an "employee" because I do the task I'm given, and don't dive into fully grasping the concepts of the class. One could only say were evolving if they state the ways of evolvement. Perhaps we are, but as in history, I think human beings and society often repeat themselves in concepts, while the outer skin of that era or time period is completely different. In my opinion, learners are leaders and students are slackers due to them doing enough to get by.I believe Mr. Shircliff is neither, honestly. I'd think he wants us to be a learner, but that is just a guess. As a teacher, he should want us to learn physics, not just do it for the grade.

Rees said...

This is the problem with schools these days. students are more concerned with points than with actual knowledge. They just memorize what they need to for the quiz friday, then they forget it over the weekend. They don't care about the information- just the points. Where as i would like to be a learner, i am a student- i care more about the points than the knowledge. I dont have a 4.0 because i know a lot, its becaue buckeye gives easy points. Hopefully some day this will be fixed in the school systems but for now- this is just how it is.

Bonjour Lindsey said...

I think im a learner. I feel that the learner is a more hands-on type person. In Physics i feel like i learn more because we actually take what we learn and go out and build stuff to visually teach us. In other classes i think i struggle more and have to almost teach myself because i cant do things hands on. I think Mr. Shircliff wants us to be learners and he is a learner himself. By puting the things he teaches into hands on projects its helping us learn, understand, and also evolve.

Ryan Ackim said...

In Physics, I am a learner. I am someone who walks into the class and wants to do a lab or project. I am someone who wants to build something, watch a movie about what we are learning, or observe and follow in his teachings. However, I am not a learner in all of my classes. In my Akron classes, I am without a doubt an employee/student because there is no chance of me being able to do hands on work from the distance learning lab. I am also an employee in my math class because I take in the information and try and understand it. I do not think either is better because you need to have both. You eventually will be a student whether you want to be a learner. I believe Mr. Shircliff is neither. I'd think he wants us to be a learner, becasue he not only wants us o understand the information, he wants us to experiment with it and have fun with it.